We asked ChatGPT the following: > We are building a dock at a remote cabin in northwestern Ontario. The shores are rocky and make it difficult to pull the dock out of the water and onto the shore for winter. Ideally we would be able to build a dock that can stay in the water all year round (even as it freezes into ice). Additionally, the lake is controlled by a dam, and there can be fluctuations in the water level, so we need to provide slack in the mooring line for the dock. > > Would rectangular dock floats work last as the water freezes and exerts pressure on the floats? Please provide sources for your answer. What are other alternatives (plastic oil barrels, etc.)? Below is what it responded. ---- ====== Building a Year-Round Dock for a Freezing Lake ====== === 1. Ice pressure & freeze-thaw damage === Freezing lakes trap a floating dock in solid ice; when a mid-winter thaw or the spring break-up arrives, huge sheets of ice shift and squeeze anything they grip. That lateral force can split, crush or twist conventional dock floats and framing. ([Rolling Barge][1]) === 2. Why **rectangular** floats usually fail === Most commercial dock drums are square-sided, foam-filled polyethylene “blocks.” When the lake re-freezes after a partial thaw, the ice locks onto those vertical faces; the next shift puts point-load pressure on the thin walls and they crack or puncture. Manufacturers therefore advise owners to remove floating docks before freeze-up and even void warranties for ice damage. ([Rolling Barge][1], [Lippert][2]) === 3. Better flotation options for freeze-in docks === * **55-gallon plastic barrels** – Heavy-walled HDPE drums offer roughly 450 lb of buoyancy each. Their curved sides let them ride *up* onto moving ice instead of being crushed, and their wall thickness is about twice that of typical dock floats. Plan on \~5–6 barrels for a 20 × 8 ft dock weighing \~2 000 lb (allows freeboard margin). ([Rolling Barge][1], [Pond Boss Forums][3]) * **Round HDPE pontoon or pipe floats** – Products such as NyDock’s freeze-in systems use large cylindrical pipes that behave like oversized barrels; the smooth tube sheds ice pressure and the material remains flexible in sub-zero temperatures. ([NyDock][4]) * **Engineered permanent docks (crib/pile)** – A heavy fixed dock can survive ice provided it has piles driven below the frost line, bolted aluminum or HDPE framing, and flexible joints where floating sections meet shore. Expect higher cost and careful structural design. ([DockGear][5]) * **De-icers / bubblers (optional)** – Circulators keep a skirt of open water around the dock, but they require power and do not stop drifting ice sheets. (general practice; no single-source citation required) === 4. Anchoring & slack === Even with ice-safe floats, you must let the dock *move*. Before freeze-up: * Raise chain or pipe anchor ports. * Add **2–4 ft of slack** to mooring lines so the dock can rise with spring water levels and slide relative to the ice. ([NyDock][4]) * Mark the dock with tall poles/flags for snowmobile visibility. ([DockGear][5]) === 5. Putting it together === | Design element | Recommended choice for NW Ontario freeze-in dock | | Flotation | 55-gal HDPE drums or round HDPE pontoons | | Frame | Treated lumber or aluminum truss bolted to barrel cradles | | Anchors | Concrete blocks on chains with 2-4 ft slack | | Winter prep | Lift ramp, loosen lines, mark location | **Key takeaway:** rectangular foam drums rarely survive thick ice; instead, use round, thick-walled barrels or purpose-built HDPE pontoons and give the dock freedom to rise, fall and slide. Follow the slack-line and visibility steps each fall, and your dock can stay in the lake all year with minimal maintenance. ([Rolling Barge][1], [Lippert][2], [NyDock][4], [Pond Boss Forums][3], [DockGear][5]) [1]: https://rollingbarge.com/portfolio-items/freeze-proofing-your-floating-dock/ "rollingbarge.com" [2]: https://www.lippert.com/blog/understanding-dock-floats?srsltid=AfmBOopUWSPHoIIrtU56bBFfzSP0DO1IsAIBcPHtsCsXgyuOkGLUNEpc "Understanding Dock Floats | Lippert" [3]: https://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?Number=235830&ubb=showflat&utm_source=chatgpt.com "How many 55 gallon drums for this size dock?" [4]: https://nydock.com/winterization-guide/ "Floating Dock Winterization & Disconnect Guide | NyDock" [5]: https://www.dockgearsupply.com/blog/2025/06/24/permanent-dock-on-lake-that-freezes/?srsltid=AfmBOoqBJfxoMnl5L2FqN60DE2zUTj1lbWpWCNCOx_W-WxxZsbuZ5Iys "Can You Put a Permanent Dock on a Lake That Freezes?"